Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
I would also like to thank the two witnesses who are part of the second group of witnesses that we are welcoming.
My first question will be to Mr. Gosselin.
I would like to hear from you on the issue of the carrot and stick that my colleague mentioned. It is interesting, because we sometimes tend to believe that it is difficult to get individuals out of radicalization, whereas the work done by your centre seems to show that certain things can be done. It's more about the carrot than the stick, because your centre works to educate people.
I would like to hear from you also about the difficulties around evaluation. You talked about the importance of having a much broader evaluation program.
What exactly do you mean by that? I'll come back to the stick next.