Thank you so much.
With regard to surveillance, there are two points to keep in mind over here. Number one is the high cost of surveillance. Surveillance is very cost-ineffective. It's very expensive. We have to look at other avenues in order to get information when needed.
Number two, the basis of a relationship, if information is shared both ways and support is provided both ways, is that, naturally, information that may be imperative for law enforcement will be provided. Communities will recognize that it is in their best interests to provide information to law enforcement and to agencies. It will only serve their interests and their own protection. That information needs to come from a place of safety and from a place of equal platform.
One of the examples I like to give in my presentations is of a bus being driven. In a pre-criminal space, the community leads the bus and drives the bus. Law enforcement takes the back seat and just supports the Muslim community, or rather communities in general. In a post-criminal space, or when criminality has taken place, then law enforcement leads the way. They drive the bus. The community is there in a supportive role of what is needed.
That collaborative approach, where everyone is equal and on the same page, is very important, but that can only be done with relationships being built on an equal platform. The key over here is the collection of information and not so much the focus on surveillance itself.