Especially when it comes to recidivism.... A young man I work with was gang-involved for quite some time. He had done quite a bit of federal prison time. In having a conversation with him one day—he's a very articulate young man—he expressed his disappointment. This is a guy who's done some pretty horrific things, but while he was incarcerated, he had time with his thoughts and became bored. He became very interested in things like violence prevention. The current VPP, the violence prevention program within CSC, is a booklet this thick.
Focusing on the violence prevention programs while inside, catching young people while they're very young and having the education system.... We have these kinds of siloed things happening. We're not working together, at least in our province.