Evidence of meeting #5 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was gang.
A recording is available from Parliament.
February 3rd, 2022 / 12:55 p.m.
Liberal
12:55 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jim Carr
Yes, but not much. We're running out of time, so let's do this.
Mr. McKinnon, do you have your hand up?
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Liberal
Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC
Yes. I would like to make a further amendment, that we are able to expand the study at a later time as well.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jim Carr
There's an amendment to have the freedom to study it further at a later time.
Does the committee agree that this is a reasonable amendment?
Go ahead, Ms. Dancho.
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Conservative
Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB
Thank you, Chair.
While I don't disagree with the friendly amendment, I don't believe it's in order.
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The Clerk
It is in order. We went back to the motion. The first amendment was voted on and all agreed to it, so we went back to the main motion. We started the debate, and Mr. McKinnon moved a new amendment to the motion.
It is in order.
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Conservative
Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB
That's correct, but doesn't he have to read where he would insert that?
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jim Carr
Mr. McKinnon, do you know where you would insert the amendment in the main motion?
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Liberal
Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC
I am happy to leave that up to the clerk. Basically, I'm asking that the motion be amended to leave it open to the committee to expand the study at later time.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jim Carr
Why don't we agree to put that at the end of the motion? It's probably where it makes the most sense.
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Liberal
Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC
Yes.
So I would add to the end of the motion, “and that this study be expanded at a later date”.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jim Carr
Okay.
Do we have a consensus among members on the amendment?
Madame Michaud, I see your hand and that you're shaking your head no.
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Bloc
Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
Actually, I agree with the amendment.
However, I did not have the time to debate the motion before amendments to it were introduced.
I would have liked to ask some questions about the logistics. If I understand correctly, Mr. McKinnon's motion means that we would have time to debate it during the meeting.
Is that actually what the amendment means?
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jim Carr
Yes, I believe that's the intention of the amendment.
Mr. MacGregor, are you comfortable with this?
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NDP
Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC
Yes, Mr. Chair. The wording of the motion says to invite them “as soon as possible”, and I'm open to having the expansion at the end, as per Mr. McKinnon's amendment.
I think Mr. Lloyd also wants to intervene.
1 p.m.
Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I'm just concerned about unclear language. At the organizational meeting, it can be discussed whether we need two meetings, three meetings or however many meetings. It's kind of nebulous to put in the motion itself that this motion can be expanded. It doesn't seem like a very professional way.... I've never seen a motion worded that way.
I would support the original motion with the FINTRAC amendment, but let the organizational meeting determine how many meetings are going to be necessary for this. Just leaving it open and saying, “Oh, it should be expanded”.... We should try to set a clear beginning and end to this, because we have a lot of important things that we've discussed. We had a subcommittee working meeting, where we set an agenda for the whole year. I would hate to see that be interrupted with an open-ended, possibly endless, committee study.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jim Carr
Mr. Clerk, where do you want to take it from here?
Do you want to take it to a vote on the second amendment?
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The Clerk
Mr. McKinnon had his hand up, so if he wants to speak further....
Otherwise, yes, we need to proceed to a vote.
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Liberal
Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC
Thank you.
I hear Dane's concern, except that the committee is really the master of its destiny. We can expand it, or we can put time limits later on as we go along. I just want to make sure that this briefing from GoFundMe, and so forth, is not just a one-off, so we probably want to consider it.
In any case, I'm happy to go to a vote on this amendment at this time.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jim Carr
I'm very conscious of the time, and respectful of your time.
We'll go to a vote on Mr. McKinnon's amendment.
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The Clerk
Mr. Chair, we can do a recorded vote, unless there's unanimous consent.
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Liberal