Evidence of meeting #5 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was gang.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Shawn Dulude  Chief of Police, Akwesasne Mohawk Police Service
Chief Abram Benedict  Grand Chief, Mohawk Council of Akwesasne
April Adams-Phillips  Chief, Mohawk Council of Akwesasne
Maurice Sabourin  President, Winnipeg Police Association
Philip Neyron  Detective, Winnipeg Police Association
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Wassim Bouanani
Mitch Bourbonniere  Outreach Worker, Ogijiita Pimatiswin Kinamatawin, As an Individual
Kevin Walker  Interim Executive Director, Bear Clan Patrol Inc.
Marlene Orr  Chief Executive Officer, Native Counselling Services of Alberta
Nicole Whiskeyjack  Community Coordinator, Native Counselling Services of Alberta

12:45 p.m.

Community Coordinator, Native Counselling Services of Alberta

Nicole Whiskeyjack

I would say the most important thing is to educate. Educate youth to be successful no matter what their upbringing is like. A lot of children I deal with even in the program I work for right now.... I'm the community coordinator for the ILAUNCH program: indigenous project LAUNCH, which stands for “linking actions for unmet needs in children's health”. That's the program I work for. A lot of the time I see happening exactly everything that I've been through in my life, with my siblings, so I always give the tools and the resources to all the families I work with on where they can go to get help. Most of the time I'm an advocate for them, and I need to hold their hands.

A lot of the time, like Marlene said, they don't get that nurturing, they don't get that love and support to do those things, so just having somebody to advocate for them, to speak for them, to have that safety and that accountability that somebody is going to be there to follow up and follow through with all of their expectations, which they've never had before, is rewarding for them.

A lot of the time that's how gangs pick up children in those situations, because most of the time, they're in foster homes and they're not getting the love, nurturing, respect or cultural identity that they expect to get. For indigenous children, that's instilled in them. They're just born with that. It's not something that they get or that's an advantage for them.

My family is a powwow family, so we travel all over Canada and the U.S. and everywhere to do powwows, to sing. My husband is a well-known singer who produces albums of powwow music and round dance music. That cultural identity is tough for them, and it's taken them a lot of places.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Thank you very much.

It's very difficult testimony to hear, but it's absolutely essential for our broader understanding of the issues we're faced with.

Ms. Michaud, you have two and a half minutes. It's over to you, please.

12:50 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I am going to ask the other witnesses a similar question to the one I asked Ms. Whiskeyjack just now.

First, Mr. Bourbonniere, could you talk to us about the funding needed to combat illegal firearms trafficking and criminal activity by street gangs? I believe that we can invest more in police services and that the organizations can have better communication with each other. But I feel that we also have to consider the demand side. We have to try to understand why people, generally young people, want firearms. We need to explore that.

How can we reduce the demand? Are we talking about community action, social action, prevention? What do you think?

12:50 p.m.

Outreach Worker, Ogijiita Pimatiswin Kinamatawin, As an Individual

Mitch Bourbonniere

Thank you for the question, Ms. Michaud.

Actually, I think it's twofold in terms of money and resources. We do need law enforcement to be supported in suppressing smuggling and lowering the number of guns coming into our territories. On the other hand, we need as much, if not more, resources to do the work that Ms. Whiskeyjack is calling for. We're trying to do that work. We're doing our best to do that work in programs like OPK. Kevin runs a youth Bear Clan. Those youngsters are not joining gangs; they're joining good gangs—his gang and our gang. To do this work, we need way more resources for youth.

Thank you.

12:50 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Thank you.

Mr. Walker, do you believe that organizations like yours could be better funded?

12:50 p.m.

Interim Executive Director, Bear Clan Patrol Inc.

Kevin Walker

I'm sorry. I didn't get the question.

12:50 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Do you think it would be good if organizations like yours were better funded? Do you consider that, right now, you have the tools and the resources you need to do your work properly and to make sure that as many young people as possible join the “good gang”, as Mr. Bourbonniere described it earlier?

12:50 p.m.

Interim Executive Director, Bear Clan Patrol Inc.

Kevin Walker

It's not coming in as interpreted, so I'm not understanding the language.

12:55 p.m.

Outreach Worker, Ogijiita Pimatiswin Kinamatawin, As an Individual

Mitch Bourbonniere

Kevin, Ms. Michaud was asking if you would require additional resources to do this good work of turning youth's lives around.

12:55 p.m.

Interim Executive Director, Bear Clan Patrol Inc.

Kevin Walker

Thanks, Mitch.

Definitely. We've started a youth program now where we've incorporated land-based ideas and teachings. I think that's part of the key to get youth involved, versus being part of gangs and things like that.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Thank you very much.

I'm sorry that we're so stretched for time. This is just a reality of having to be loyal to a schedule.

Now let's go to Mr. MacGregor, who gave up time to pose questions in order to deal with his motion.

The floor is yours, Mr. MacGregor.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

On a point of order, do we want to let our witnesses go, Chair?

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Yes, the witnesses can go.

I will thank them for their generosity of time. I'm sure that in every case we could have gone on for much longer. Unfortunately, that luxury is not available to us.

To the witnesses, on behalf of the whole committee, thank you very much for your wisdom, insights and sharing.

Mr. MacGregor, go ahead.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Thank you so much, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to my colleagues for granting unanimous consent.

You all have a copy of the motion. I don't need to read it into the record again, so I'll just say that I'm formally moving the motion and I hope that we can use our time to get to a quick vote.

Thank you.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Do we have any comments from members of the committee?

Mr. Noormohamed, your hand was up. You have the floor.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would move an amendment to Mr. MacGregor's motion to add the word “FINTRAC” after the word “GoFundMe”. The sentence would read, “That the committee invite representatives from GoFundMe and FINTRAC to appear as soon as possible”, if that's amenable.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

What is the wish of the committee?

I see a hand up from Ms. Michaud.

12:55 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Mr. Chair, I just wanted to discuss the motion, but Mr. MacGregor said that it is actually a friendly amendment.

Will you allow me to debate that?

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Yes.

12:55 p.m.

The Clerk

If I may?

Ms. Michaud, the debate is on the amendment.

12:55 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Okay.

I agree with the amendment.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Right. The debate is on the amendment.

Do we have agreement that the amendment should pass?

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Let's move to the motion itself.

Go ahead, Mr. Lloyd.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

I have a question for you, Mr. Chair, or Mr. MacGregor.

I'm not sure if it's in the motion, but when do we propose to have this meeting, should this motion pass?

12:55 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

I could answer that quickly, Chair.

I'm happy to have an organizational meeting in the future to determine that. I just want to put this on the committee's docket.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Okay. We'll do this sequentially. The next step is to deal with the motion itself, which has been put forward by Mr. MacGregor.

Who on the committee is in favour of the motion?