Evidence of meeting #58 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was list.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Simon Larouche
Francis Langlois  Professor and Associate Researcher, Observatoire sur les États-Unis of the Raoul-Dandurand Chair of Strategic and Diplomatic Studies, As an Individual
Wendy Cukier  President, Coalition for Gun Control
Martin Bourget  President, Aventure Chasse Pêche
Kate Nadeau-Mercier  General Manager, Aventure Chasse Pêche
Matthew Hipwell  President, Wolverine Supplies, As an Individual

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

So you're saying they were stolen from a legal owner.

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President, Coalition for Gun Control

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

So where—

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President, Coalition for Gun Control

Dr. Wendy Cukier

The point is that the legal supply of firearms—

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Pardon me. Where did you get that information? Was it Stats Canada? Where is that information from, so we can look at it?

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President, Coalition for Gun Control

Dr. Wendy Cukier

If you review, case by case, police officers shot and killed in Canada, which I've provided to previous committees, and the same is true with mass shootings in Canada—

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

I'm sorry. Are you saying that it's your personal research that found that?

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President, Coalition for Gun Control

Dr. Wendy Cukier

It's research based on the list of police officers shot and killed in Canada—

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

You personally did that yourself. Is that correct?

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President, Coalition for Gun Control

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Was your research peer-reviewed by anybody?

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President, Coalition for Gun Control

Dr. Wendy Cukier

It's been submitted to the committee. It was prepared—

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Was your personal research peer-reviewed by anyone?

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President, Coalition for Gun Control

Dr. Wendy Cukier

It was prepared for the Mass Casualty Commission—

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Okay. Thank you very much.

Just to continue, you also mentioned that legal gun owners are most responsible for spousal homicide. Do you have that data that you can provide to us?

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President, Coalition for Gun Control

Dr. Wendy Cukier

Yes. That data is from the femicide observatory.

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

I'm sorry; it's from where?

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President, Coalition for Gun Control

Dr. Wendy Cukier

It's from the femicide observatory.

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Okay. What information do they use? Is that from Stats Canada? Is that a Canadian company?

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President, Coalition for Gun Control

Dr. Wendy Cukier

It's based on the data with respect to spousal homicides, looking case by case at the weapon that was used and the circumstances.

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Is it from Stats Canada?

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President, Coalition for Gun Control

Dr. Wendy Cukier

Stats Canada doesn't have that data or provide that data, because they don't have information on the legal status of the firearm. You have to do a case-by-case analysis to get this information.

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Is that observatory a peer-reviewed organization? Where are they getting their information?

My point is that I'm just reviewing all the remarks you've provided to the committee and I'm not seeing that you've provided statistically sound evidence. I find that concerning, given the claims you're making. You said that, first of all, legal gun owners are most responsible for mass homicide, spousal homicide and the killing of police officers. I'm not satisfied, based on what you're sharing with me today, that your information has been peer-reviewed or is supported by evidentiary and sound statistical data.

I'm looking at some data from Stats Canada myself that said—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you, Ms. Dancho.

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Four minutes sure goes fast, Mr. Chair.