Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you to the witnesses for being here. I'm going to continue along the same line as Ms. Damoff.
First of all, thank you for your comments, Mr. Desbiens. I imagine you've done a lot of work in the past, and again recently, with migrants at the Canada Border Services Agency's immigration holding centres. On many occasions, you probably would have liked, as an organization, to support a complainant through the complaint process or make a complaint on his or her behalf, as allowed under section 38, which you said you supported.
Mr. Desbiens or Ms. Abou-Jaoudé, can you tell us how this could have helped people who find themselves in such situations?