Evidence of meeting #76 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Simon Larouche

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

We have Mr. Julian on a point of order.

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Again, Mr. Chair, we have witnesses who have incredibly intense workplaces. They're doing so much for us on public safety. I would ask that we release them.

I'm saddened by that, because there are so many people, as Madame Michaud just said, in terms of the bill...and how important it is to get the bill adopted, but I know they all have work to do. I think we're being disrespectful just having them listen to a Conservative filibuster rather than letting them get back to the work they have to do on behalf of Canadians.

I'd ask that they be released.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

This is on the same point of order, Mr. Chair.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Mr. Bittle, go ahead.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

I think I'm going to change my position from last time and agree with Mr. Julian. I don't think Mr. Shipley or the Conservatives are genuine in saving witness time. We have all these witnesses before us, and we should let them go.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

This is on the same point of order, Chair.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Mr. Genuis, go ahead on the same point of order.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you, Chair.

I would have had a better plan for saving the witness time, which would have been that if the chair considers the matter at hand to be this matter, then we should have scheduled the meeting on committee business or on this matter and not invited the witnesses.

I would happily agree to dismiss the witnesses. I would say that, going forward, it would be wise for the chair to respect witness time by not inviting witnesses who are going to appear on a matter different from the matter that is actually the matter at hand before the committee, in his view.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you, Mr. Genuis.

Substantial time having passed since the last time we considered this question, is it the will of the committee to invite the witnesses to leave or to be released?

6:20 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I see unanimous consent.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Schiefke Liberal Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

We can release them with an apology, perhaps, Mr. Chair.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I certainly apologize. I have to keep scheduling you, because if we—

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

No, you don't.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Keep your counsel to yourself.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I have a point of order, Chair.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I am speaking. I have the floor.

I would like to apologize to all for wasting your time yet again. It is a serious matter that we have before us to deal with Bill C-20. We are trying to get it done and we are doing our best. The alternative is to capitulate to matters that are out of our control.

With apologies, I will continue to invite you and continue to schedule this matter. Hopefully, we will get it done sooner rather than later. I do heartily thank you for your time and for having to put up with committee in this way. Thank you to all.

Please feel free to depart, if it is your wish. If you want to stay for the show, you're welcome to do that as well.

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Mr. Julian, go ahead.

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Could you commit to bringing cookies for the next meeting? If there is still a filibuster going on, at least they'll get something out of it.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

The chair will consider that.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

A point of order, Chair—

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Schiefke Liberal Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

Mr. Chair, Ms. May has had her hand up for quite some time. I just wanted to point that out.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Ms. May, I'm sorry. I didn't notice you there. I apologize.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Chair, I have a point of order when you're—