Evidence of meeting #79 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was complaint.
A recording is available from Parliament.
October 30th, 2023 / 1:25 p.m.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
—as you know, you enforce rules around relevance and repetition, and there is no relevance right now to what Mr. Genuis is actually saying. We're discussing NDP-34 as part of Bill C-20. I would ask you to enforce that rule of relevance with Mr. Genuis.
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Conservative
Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Wetaskiwin, AB
On that point, if we're being consistent, the honourable member just had a slot to debate the NDP amendment that he's talking about. He's in the NDP and he didn't use one word of his time slot to actually talk about the amendment. If we're on the issue of relevance, I welcome the conversation.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Thank you.
Given that Mr. Julian had spoken in regard to other matters, I was giving Mr. Genuis a little leeway.
However, I would certainly appreciate it if Mr. Genuis could get back to the matter at hand, which is NDP-34.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will return to that after I have ever so briefly dispensed with the arguments of Mr. Julian.
He cast some aspersions around the work Conservatives had done previously at this committee in insisting on three meetings to hear from the minister—
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
—as well as family members involved in the issue of the Bernardo transfer—
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Mr. Genuis, come to order, please. We're not discussing the debate around the Bernardo study. The matter has been discussed—
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Conservative
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Please get back to the matter at hand, which is NDP-34. You had an opportunity to respond to Mr. Julian already. Let us carry on with NDP-34.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Mr. Chair, on a point of order, there are not time limits associated with this part of the proceedings. If a chair, in violation of the rules, imposes time limits, then the new Standing Orders provide for a member to be able to raise a point of order and bring that matter to the attention of the chair in the House.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
All subsequent proceedings are disallowed.
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Conservative
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
In your turn.
I have not established a time limit. I'm just asking you to get to the matter at hand. It is appropriate to stick to the matter at hand. If we can try to not bring in extraneous matters, we can get forward on this.
I have Mr. Julian, on a point of order.
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NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
I actually agree with you, Mr. Chair. The issues of relevance and repetition are the two key elements here. Mr. Genuis is not being relevant to NDP-34 and Bill C-20.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
On the same point of order, Chair, it is really unfathomable to me how Mr. Julian could make—
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Oh, I profusely apologize.
Mr. Chair, I have a point of order that I'd like to raise.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Thank you for graciously recognizing me.
Mr. Chair, Mr. Julian was able to make an extended intervention that was not on the topic of his amendment. I am trying to provide a perfunctory response to Mr. Julian. Mr. Julian is now raising points of order—