Again, as I said in my opening, the evidence that was before Associate Chief Justice LeSage at the trial, and at the dangerous offender application—and it's the same evidence that was, 25 years later and more, before the Parole Board—is that this is the hallmark of psychopathy. They are deceptive. They're cunning. They're manipulative. To have a criterion that doesn't take that into account and doesn't take into account what they learn from the various programs that are administered to them, and what they learn from parole hearing to parole hearing, is simply naive.
Thank God the majority of offenders in Canada serving federal penitentiary sentences are not psychopaths, but again, this is why you can't have a one-size-fits-all. You have to have an entirely different criterion for these particular types of offenders. It's critical.