I could tell you that every time we get ready for a parole hearing, it is gut-wrenching for the families when we prepare their victim impact statements. In the case of the French and Mahaffy families, we prepare very comprehensive victim impact statements.
What happens is that, as a general rule, parole hearings happen every two years. The reality is that, for the families, you finish one parole hearing and the two years go by very fast. It's very difficult to revisit this every two years.
As a matter of law, they're entitled to a parole hearing on an annual basis—once a year—and then the Parole Board has six months to process that and, as a matter of practice, it just works out to every two years.
In my view, and we'll use Paul Bernardo as an example, he's now had two parole hearings, but after the first parole hearing, maybe after the second parole hearing, there has to be a shift, particularly when there's a finding that he has no insight, no remorse—