I would say respectfully to the committee that it's always a matter of balance. I would also say respectfully to members of the committee to have a fine that is proportionate, because obviously you're referring to small and medium-sized businesses. Let's be clear that the systemic risk to our network with very large players is the danger of going too low, and colleagues would agree that, if the fine is of that nature when you're talking about the big telcos, it's kind of irrelevant. I'm not sure that this would give power where the Minister of Industry would have to compel them to take action.
I don't suggest they do that, but they could do a cost-benefit analysis and decide to ignore the minister because, at the end of the day, the fine is so low that it's just business as usual.
In cases of emergency, I can tell you that, the Rogers outage touched 12 million Canadians. In this case, you need a kind of stick to make sure that people will comply, because you're talking on behalf of millions of people.