Public Safety Committee on June 19th, 2025

[The Chair, Liberal, Jean-Yves Duclos]

I hear that. However, the motion to adjourn is prior to those important debates, which we will be having most likely when this committee resumes its work in early fall or late summer. I look forward to all of us making sure that this important work is done in the appropriate manner.

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Parkland, AB]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

I do understand that a motion may have been put forward, but you did recognize me to speak, Chair. I think, by recognizing me to speak, you gave me the floor to move this motion, because a motion to adjourn is, I believe, a dilatory motion. We would have had to move immediately into a vote, but by recognizing me, I believe you gave me an opportunity to move my motion.

I'd like the opportunity to continue moving my motion, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Jean-Yves Duclos]

I look forward to working with you as vice-chair. However, at this point, my view and my decision is to adjourn this meeting and to make sure that we prepare for the next one in the appropriate manner, with the time that we need to—

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Parkland, AB]

I have a point of order.

[Sima Acan, Liberal, Oakville West, ON]

I have a point of order, Chair. It's a dilatory motion—

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Parkland, AB]

I said I had a point of order first.

[The Chair, Liberal, Jean-Yves Duclos]

I'll start with Sima, and then we'll come back to you, Dane.

[Sima Acan, Liberal, Oakville West, ON]

It's a dilatory motion, Chair, so they're wrong. I would like to continue with the motion that is on the floor already. Thank you.

[The Chair, Liberal, Jean-Yves Duclos]

Good.

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Parkland, AB]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Jean-Yves Duclos]

Yes, this is the last point of order, Dane, because it seems to be a repetitive one.

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Parkland, AB]

I'd like to challenge the decision of the chair, because you did say that you made a decision that we move on to this motion. Since that is a decision that you have taken as the chair, I'd like to exercise the right of the committee to challenge the decision of the chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Jean-Yves Duclos]

Which is your right. However, we will....

Go ahead, Ali.

[Ali Ehsassi, Liberal, Willowdale, ON]

I have a point of order.

The member is mischaracterizing the process that we were all a witness to. That was a dilatory motion, so there is no debate, and we have to put that to a vote.

[The Chair, Liberal, Jean-Yves Duclos]

Let's do that now.

All those who would like to vote in favour of adjourning the meeting...?

Yes, we have Rhonda.

[Rhonda Kirkland, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

I have point of order.

I'm sorry, but I'm new here. Can you just bear with me one moment?

If I'm to understand this correctly, we are being asked to adjourn. We're leaving now for the summer in terms of this committee. There's this important issue of auto theft. I know these issues increase over the summer. We're just letting it go—

[Jacques Ramsay, Liberal, La Prairie—Atateken, QC]

I have a point of order. We need to proceed to a vote.

[The Chair, Liberal, Jean-Yves Duclos]

This is not a time for debate. It's a time to decide on my decision to adjourn the meeting and prepare for the work to do appropriately in the next weeks and months.

I will now invite a vote on that.

[Frank Caputo, Conservative, Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC]

Could we have a recorded division, please, Chair?

[The Chair, Liberal, Jean-Yves Duclos]

There has been a request for a recorded vote.

(Motion negatived: nays 5; yeas 4)

In that case, we are going to see what the committee wants to do.

[Frank Caputo, Conservative, Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC]

Can I have the floor, Chair?

[The Chair, Liberal, Jean-Yves Duclos]

Yes, please.

[Frank Caputo, Conservative, Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC]

Congratulations, Mr. Chair. Congratulations are also in order for Mrs. DeBellefeuille.

I'm trying to practice my French just a little bit here.

Mr. Chair, I would move the following motion, and I do this in the spirit of what I hope is a measure of collaboration. At the end of the day, auto theft is up by 45% between 2015 and 2023. I don't believe we have the 2024 stats yet. We had a lot of people give a lot of evidence at this committee, and I hope this won't be a protracted debate, because auto theft is very key. We actually had Premier Ford talk about his car nearly being stolen. I think the former minister of justice had his car stolen—or its theft was attempted—three times. Not only should we be reporting to the House on this issue, but we should also be hearing back from the government.

My understanding, Mr. Chair, is that we did not hear back from the government within the 90 days after this report was tabled in the House of Commons. Given the history of auto theft and given that we are now hearing some Conservative approaches finally being adopted here, I think we should be hearing the government's response to Canadians.

It's in that spirit that I move the following motion. I'll read it into the record. I believe the clerk has been provided this motion in both official languages. I move:

That, given that committee members, staff, the clerk, analysts, and witnesses worked hard to produce the report entitled “Fighting the Phenomenon of Vehicle Thefts in Canada” during the First Session of the 44th Parliament, and given that the government did not table a response because of the prorogation of Parliament;

the committee deem that it has undertaken and completed a study on “Fighting the Phenomenon of Vehicle Thefts in Canada” pursuant to Standing Order 108, and that it adopt that report as a report from this committee;

pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee request the government to table a comprehensive response to the report;

supplementary or dissenting reports that accompanied the report in the previous session of Parliament be tabled with the main report; and,

the Chair present the report to the House.

Thank you.

[The Chair, Liberal, Jean-Yves Duclos]

MP Lloyd, go ahead, please.

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Parkland, AB]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I wholeheartedly support this motion from my colleague, Mr. Caputo.

Also, congratulations on your appointment as chair, and welcome to all the members of the public safety committee. I think I am the longest-standing member of this committee. Frank also had a very good sojourn on this committee, and I'm really thankful that he's now here on a full-time basis.

We completed this study prior to the last election. It was a very good study. It had great feedback from stakeholders, and all parties worked really collaboratively on this issue.

I just want to bring up some Alberta-specific issues that we've been having. Alberta has become a feeder province for vehicles that have had their vehicle identification numbers “revinned”, as it's called. These are stolen vehicles that have been fraudulently registered and are resold across Canada—