We are back.
This is a reminder that, in order for a committee to work well, everyone needs to have the same information. A few moments ago, I told the clerk that I wasn't comfortable with the idea of the committee discussing information that everyone does not have.
A motion is a tool to debate, but when we don't have both a shared understanding of the motion and a shared statement of the motion, it becomes very difficult for members of this committee to have an intelligent debate.
This is the first meeting, so we're all in a learning process and, certainly, in a very collaborative process. I think in the spirit of collaboration, we may be doing things now that may be exploratory. It's in fact a good exercise for me, as the new chair of this committee, to learn how we will work effectively starting in the fall. It cannot be, in my mind, effective and useful for the members of this committee to speak of matters that have not been distributed prior to the meeting. If there is a will to discuss motions, these motions should have been distributed sufficiently well in advance, or at least distributed in a manner that everyone understands and can speak to.
Having said that, MP Kirkland wanted to intervene. MP Ramsay also wanted to speak. Then we'll turn to MP Lloyd.
Let's start with MP Kirkland.