Evidence of meeting #15 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was section.
A video is available from Parliament.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
That brings us to clause 23.
Do I have a mover for amendment G‑2?
It doesn't look like it.
Is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt clause 23?
(Clause 23 agreed to on division)
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
That brings us to clause 24.
Does anyone wish to speak to this clause?
Mr. Caputo, you have the floor.
November 25th, 2025 / 5:10 p.m.
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
That will be done immediately after clause 24.
Is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt clause 24?
(Clause 24 agreed to on division)
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Before we go to clause 25, we have amendment CPC‑2.
Do I have a mover for CPC‑2?
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
Yes. I will move that amendment, please, Mr. Chair.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Okay.
As a result, we're going to discuss amendment CPC‑2, which would create the new clause 24.1.
Since CPC‑2 has been moved, I'd like to inform you of the following ruling, which is based on the advice I received from the clerk's office.
The amendment proposes to amend subsection 40(2) of the Oceans Act.
House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, states the following on page 771:
…an amendment is inadmissible if it proposes to amend a statute that is not before the committee or a section of the parent Act, unless the latter is specifically amended by a clause of the bill.
Since subsection 40(2) of the Oceans Act isn't being amended by Bill C‑12, it's the opinion of the chair that the amendment is inadmissible.
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
I would seek to challenge the chair's conclusion on that with a recorded vote, please.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
There is a motion to challenge that decision with a recorded vote.
(Ruling of the chair overturned: yeas 4; nays 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
As the chair's ruling has been overturned, we will now proceed to discussion on amendment CPC‑2.
Do any members wish to speak?
It doesn't look like it.
That brings us to a vote on amendment CPC‑2. We'll have a recorded vote.
(Amendment agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
(On clause 25)
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
That brings us to clause 25, on which amendment CPC‑3 has been tabled.
Would someone like to move that amendment?
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Mr. Caputo is moving amendment CPC‑3.
Does anyone wish to speak to this amendment?
Seeing no further discussion on this amendment, we'll go to a vote on CPC‑3. We'll have a recorded vote, for greater certainty.
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
No, we'll have a recorded vote because I want to make sure everyone can express their vote properly. I know this may be an abundance of caution on my part, but I'm going to ask the clerk to take a recorded vote on amendment CPC‑3, even if it takes a few more moments.
(Amendment agreed to: yeas 9; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
That brings us to clause 25 as amended. Is there any discussion on this?
It doesn't look like it.
Is it agreed that clause 25 as amended shall pass?
(Clause 25 as amended agreed to on division)
(Clauses 26 and 27 agreed to on division)
(On clause 28)
Liberal
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
At this point, we're getting into a new batch of amendments.
I move that we suspend until 7:15.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
You would move that we suspend?
This is a motion that is admissible.
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
I'm sorry. In that motion, I move that we stand clauses 28 to 75, just to be clear.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
That's different. Would you like to suspend the meeting or to stand clauses 28 to 75 while we move to the remaining clauses?
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
Let's move to the remaining clauses.
I move to stand clauses 28 to 75. We can move to the remaining clauses, at which time I will then move to suspend—once we are done the remaining clauses.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
I will need to check with the legislative clerks to see how we handle that motion.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
We'll start the meeting again. Thank you for your patience.
Before the suspension, MP Caputo moved a motion to stand clauses 28 to 75. That means that these clauses would be discussed after the clauses following 75, so 76 and thereafter. That's the intent of the motion that was moved by MP Caputo.
This, I understand, is an admissible motion that is subject to debate and then to a vote.
Is there debate on that motion of Mr. Caputo?
Go ahead, Madam DeBellefeuille.
Bloc
Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC
Mr. Chair, I don't really understand the point of the proposal or why we would proceed this way. I think things are going very well. Since we started the clause-by-clause, things have been going well. Clearly the bill has good support from committee members.
Perhaps Mr. Caputo could comment on that and explain to us the real reasons why he wants us to consider clauses 28 to 75 later.