Evidence of meeting #15 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was section.
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Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.
We are actually in between amendments. She has the floor. She was recognized. It is her time now. You recognized her. This is not a time of...point of order. We are between clauses 1 and 2. Nobody has moved CPC-1 yet, which means that she has the floor now.
Liberal
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
I will explain in French to make sure that everyone understands better.
We're currently on clause 2; it's a motion. To get this clause adopted, it's possible to move an amendment.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
If anyone around this table wishes to do so, they can do so now.
In the list of amendments that the clerk received, one is for clause 2, and that's amendment CPC‑1. If a Conservative member or any other member would like to move it, now is the time to do so.
Conservative
Rhonda Kirkland Conservative Oshawa, ON
On a point of order, can I ask you to check? Nobody has moved that amendment yet. You said that it has been moved and that, therefore, we can't hear MP Konanz's movement. It has not been moved.
Can you tell me who moved the amendment that you claim was moved?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
I'll say it in English this time.
Clause 2 is itself a motion. We have a motion to adopt or to reject clause 2—
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
I said in French, and I'll say it in English this time. It is subject to possible amendments. If there is such an amendment to be moved, it's time to proceed now, otherwise we will debate clause 2 and eventually vote on it.
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
On a point of order, who moved that motion that you just referenced?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
This is what the procedure says. If we are going through clause-by-clause, we start with clauses. I can repeat it in Spanish or Italian. I don't think it will be helpful, but that's how it works from a procedural perspective.
Conservative
Helena Konanz Conservative Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC
Chair, I did make that motion between clauses, and this won't take long. Could you ask the clerk if this [Technical difficulty—Editor] take long. It's something that I planned to do between clauses. Those are the rules, but you can ask the clerk, if you'd like.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
What I will do is I will suspend for a few minutes so we can each, with our own advisers, and there are many of them around this room, connect—
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
—and listen to the advice that is provided.
I will suspend for a few minutes, but don't go far—
Conservative
Andrew Lawton Conservative Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON
I have a point of order before this, please, sir.
Liberal
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
I call the meeting back to order. Thank you for your patience and goodwill.
We're on clause 2. I will repeat my invitation one last time: Does anyone want to move amendment CPC‑1?
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Yes, I'm sorry, Mr. Lawton. I forgot you had a point of order. The floor is yours.
Conservative
Andrew Lawton Conservative Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. I appreciate this, and I preface this by saying that I'm a new member of Parliament, and I think that, like all of us here, I'm learning the rules.
I'm looking at Bosc and Gagnon right now and specifically the section dealing with committees, which falls under chapter 20. There's a section there that delineates “Substantive Motions”, and I think all of us would agree that constitutes what Ms. Konanz's motion was.
I understand that this is clause-by-clause. There was a previous motion adopted by this committee to proceed to clause-by-clause. I would like to get some very clear direction from you, Mr. Chair, on precisely when a substantive motion that has previously been put on notice—I don't think anyone is disputing that—could be raised, because it moved very quickly, it seemed, from clause 1 to clause 2, and there was no recognition of there being, for lack of a term, a dormant time between those two.
I would seek very clear direction from you, Mr. Chair, on at what point someone could be recognized from the floor and introduce a substantive motion that has previously been put on notice.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Thank you for your input.
First, each clause is in itself a substantive motion to which amendments and even subamendments can be moved.
Second, we have, I believe, 138 substantive motions to go through today. Each clause is one, and as I said, there may be amendments and subamendments to them.
After those substantive motions are gone through, there might be opportunities for other substantive motions, but that depends on how late this process is going to finish tonight.
Is that a point of order?
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Conservative
Helena Konanz Conservative Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC
My point of order is I'd like to know exactly when I am able to make this motion. Am I able to make it between clauses 2 and 3?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
I will follow the procedure that we have agreed to in the House business motion that was voted on by this committee.
This is an excellent question. I don't know when the committee will have handled all of these motions. If we finish early, then there will be an opportunity, Madam Konanz, to do that, if the committee so wishes.