Evidence of meeting #15 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was section.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Thank you.
There is a challenge to my allocation of the floor to Madame Dandurand.
Conservative
Andrew Lawton Conservative Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON
Could we see who's on the list first, please?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
I would like to see who is in favour of a ruling against my decision please.
Conservative
November 25th, 2025 / 12:50 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
I'll suspend for a moment. I want to check who among the Conservative MPs is actually able to vote. There is a substitution rule, which I need to check with the clerk.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
We have a designation of the floor. Conservatives MPs are the usual MPs, so the first four will vote, and the others will not.
Who is in favour of the motion that was moved, that my ruling be reversed?
Four MPs are in favour of that.
Who is against that ruling?
(Ruling of the chair sustained)
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Good, thank you. That means we are now returning to MP Dandurand for her reaction to the motion being moved.
Madame Dandurand, please go ahead.
Liberal
Marianne Dandurand Liberal Compton—Stanstead, QC
Mr. Chair, I move that we proceed immediately to clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C‑12.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
That is a dilatory motion, which is immediately moved to the floor and requires an immediate vote.
I'll pause for a few seconds to make sure we all understand what the motion says. The motion says that we would be moving to the clause-by-clause work as of now.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
(Motion agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)
This motion is adopted, which means we will be moving to the clause-by-clause work. However, we will suspend for a few minutes so that we can attend to some of our physical needs. We'll be back in a few moments.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
We are resuming the meeting.
To begin, I want to share two pieces of information with you.
First, we will take a break at 2 p.m. so that members can participate in oral question period in the House.
Second, I want to share the following remarks with you.
We are doing clause-by-clause consideration of a bill. As the name indicates, this is an examination of all the clauses in the order in which they appear in the bill. I will call each clause successively, and each clause is subject to debate and a vote.
If there are amendments to the clause in question, I will recognize the member proposing it, who may explain it.
Amendments will be considered in the order in which they appear in the package of amendments that members have received from the clerk.
Amendments have been given a number in the top right corner to indicate which party submitted them.
During debate on an amendment, members are also permitted to move subamendments.
Amendments must be properly drafted in a legal sense and must be procedurally admissible. The chair may be called upon to rule amendments inadmissible if they go against the principle of the bill or beyond the scope of the bill, since the principle and scope of the bill were adopted by the House of Commons when it agreed to the bill at second reading, or if they offend the financial prerogative of the Crown.
I thank the members for their attention and wish the committee a productive, even pleasant, clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C‑12.
The first clause we're dealing with is clause 2, because pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of clause 1, which is the short title, is postponed until the end of clause 2.
(On clause 2)
Liberal
Conservative
Helena Konanz Conservative Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC
Chair, I'd like to move the motion that was presented, during the last meeting, by my colleague Dane Lloyd.
I move:
That, given the Department of Agriculture has advised the Penticton Shooting Sports Association (PSSA) that their lease is to be terminated at the end of 2025;
The range has operated for 42 years and is essential not only for recreational shooters but also for the RCMP, B.C. sheriffs and cadets who depend on it for training—
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
I'm sorry to interrupt, Mrs. Konanz.
I'm sorry, but there seems to be a point of order.
Madame Dandurand, please go ahead.
Liberal
Marianne Dandurand Liberal Compton—Stanstead, QC
Yes, Mr. Chair.
I think we should do the clause-by-clause consideration of the bill first and come back to the motions afterward. We already voted on a motion to move to clause-by-clause consideration of the bill, so I think we should continue that consideration.
Conservative
Helena Konanz Conservative Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC
I believe that I'm allowed to—
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
I'm sorry, Madame Konanz, but perhaps I wasn't listening carefully enough. Are you presenting a different motion from the amendment that is called CPC-1?
Conservative
Helena Konanz Conservative Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC
I'm presenting a motion that was presented, during the last meeting, by my colleague Dane Lloyd.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Unfortunately, that is not possible because we now have a motion, which is the motion on clause 2.
Conservative
Helena Konanz Conservative Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC
No, it's between clauses. I was given the floor, Chair, and it's between clauses.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
That is not possible because we have a motion already. The motion is to adopt or to reject clause 2 of the bill. Now, that motion can have an amendment attached to it. There has, I understand, been a proposal by the Conservative MPs to table an amendment, called CPC-1, which is found on page 1 of the proposed amendments submitted to the clerk.
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
If a Conservative member of Parliament wants to move that amendment, it's time to do it now. Otherwise, we'll move forward.
