Evidence of meeting #17 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was removal.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Conservative
Chak Au Conservative Richmond Centre—Marpole, BC
I also want to speak to this motion.
Now, I'm not a firearms person, nor do I have the hobby of shooting. This is something new to me. However, I visited two shooting ranges, one in Richmond and the other one in Prince George. I can see that they serve a very important purpose. It's not only that people have social activities and gatherings in those kinds of shooting ranges. They also have a place where it's safe for them to practise. I see the support and the enthusiasm of the people who are into the sports.
Again, I don't know the details of this particular situation, but if we know that there are so many people from different backgrounds, different walks of life and even across different parties supporting the keeping of this shooting range, then there's no reason we should allow this to be closed.
With that, I support the motion.
Liberal
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
We are now going to vote on the motion to adjourn the meeting, having heard the earlier comments. Is the committee in support of the motion to adjourn?
(Motion negatived: nays 5; yeas 4)
We'll keep the discussion going. We're back to the motion of Madame Konanz.
Madame Kirkland.
Conservative
Rhonda Kirkland Conservative Oshawa, ON
Can we call for a vote on the motion that's on the table? Is that possible?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
The vote will follow whenever everyone is ready for it.
So let's go to a vote on that particular....
Madame Acan?
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
I have a point of order, Chair. You just called for a vote. I don't know that we can be asking for amendments.
You just called for a vote. I think we need to proceed to the vote.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
The flow of this is rapid. I understand the challenges there may be in understanding the interconnection between motions and amendments and adjournment motions. As you noticed earlier, I was initially confusing on the move from the witness session to the House committee business session. Allowing for everyone's understanding is, I believe, the right thing to do.
Madame Acan, you're asking whether an amendment can be put to a motion, and the answer is yes.
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
On a point of order, Chair, I would challenge the chair's interpretation there. You had called for a vote. I am challenging your decision to allow an amendment when you had called the vote.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
So you'd like to move to a vote now. Moving to a vote is not a motion or not an acceptable motion in a committee.
What exactly are you asking for?
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
You had called the vote. You had said we were proceeding to a vote. At that point, I believe the vote should have occurred or should have commenced. You said we were calling the question, essentially, and then an amendment was brought forward. I believe we should be voting, because you had called the question at that point.
December 2nd, 2025 / 12:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
I had asked whether we wanted to have a vote, and I turned around and saw that Madame Acan wanted to ask a question on the proceedings, which I understand are a bit complex to follow. I believe that members of this committee deserve a fair chance at making their full participation in this particular meeting.
Madame Acan, you can proceed with your earlier intervention.
Liberal
Sima Acan Liberal Oakville West, ON
Are we going to do the amendment, or is there a challenge to the chair? What are we doing right now?
Liberal
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
—we'll start again.
Thank you for being patient for a few minutes.
Mr. Lloyd is challenging the decision of the chair. I therefore ask the clerk to proceed to a vote to see whether this decision—
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
I'm sorry, it was Mr. Caputo.
You're a great team, Mr. Lloyd and Mr. Caputo. People sometimes confuse you with each other.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Apparently, according to the polls, you're both equally handsome and intelligent. Of course, polls aren't always perfect.
We'll now go to a vote on Mr. Caputo's challenge to the chair.
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
I will withdraw it.
I would like to go to Ms. Acan's amendment.
