Evidence of meeting #25 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was floor.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Arbour  Director General, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch, Department of Industry

Jacques Ramsay Liberal La Prairie—Atateken, QC

We humbly think this amendment is confusing. It asks for information that's not particularly useful. Knowing how many times an order was made, amended or revoked on the basis of confidential information is not particularly helpful.

You always have to weigh the work involved against the usefulness of the information. This data is generally financial or related to service provider activities. In every case, orders would be made, amended or revoked on the basis of a set of both confidential and non-confidential information.

For that reason, we'll be voting against this amendment.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay.

Is there any further debate?

Shall amendment CPC‑36 carry?

(Amendment negatived)

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

That brings us to amendment BQ‑8.

Do I have someone to move BQ‑8?

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Yes, Mr. Chair.

I am moving BQ‑8. I think the wording is already clear. It's important the minister publish a report summary on the Department of Industry's website within 10 days after it is tabled in both Houses of Parliament. I think it's a question of transparency. I hope to have my colleagues' support on this.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, Mrs. DeBellefeuille.

Is there any further debate?

Shall amendment BQ‑8 carry?

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Let's move on to amendment CPC‑37.

Do I have someone to move amendment CPC‑37?

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I so move, Mr. Chair.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, Mr. Caputo.

We will now move to the debate on amendment CPC‑37.

Mr. Ramsay, you have the floor.

Jacques Ramsay Liberal La Prairie—Atateken, QC

The requirements in this amendment relate to the annual reporting to Parliament. The reports are already listed and planned for in Bill C‑8. Preparing a second annual report is an additional administrative burden for the department. This information won't improve how elements that would be interesting to monitor through the bill are managed.

As a result, we'll be voting against the amendment.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay.

Mr. Caputo, you have the floor.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Thank you.

I'd like to ask the officials whether this is a redundancy. That obviously isn't the intent.

4:15 p.m.

Director General, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch, Department of Industry

Andre Arbour

It does specify preparing a report, and it seems to be a distinct report from the already fairly detailed reporting requirements that were adopted across parties as part of Bill C-26 and carried forward, so this adds a second annual report.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, Mr. Arbour.

Is there any further debate?

Shall amendment CPC‑37 carry?

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Let's move on to amendment PV‑10, which is deemed moved.

Is there a debate on amendment PV‑10?

Mr. Caputo, you have the floor.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Thank you.

I know that CPC-2 changed a number of things. Given that, is this amendment necessary with respect to what we're trying to achieve here?

4:15 p.m.

Director General, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch, Department of Industry

Andre Arbour

No, it is not at all necessary, and for that reason, it actually creates confusion.

The right enumerated here already exists under the Federal Courts Act. Duplicating it in this bill would create confusion, because for the sections or other contexts that don't explicitly refer to this right, you're giving the impression that you imply that this right shouldn't exist.

It's best to avoid that type of confusion and rely on the existing law under the Federal Courts Act.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you.

Shall amendment PV‑10 carry?

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Do I have someone to move amendment CPC‑38?

Mr. Caputo, you have the floor.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Thank you.

I will move this amendment to permit what is often called an “amicus curiae”, which literally translates to “friend of the court”, for people who are unrepresented. The role of an amicus is to assist the court, not necessarily to advocate.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, Mr. Caputo.

Mr. Ramsay, you have the floor.

Jacques Ramsay Liberal La Prairie—Atateken, QC

Again, it's already provided that in all applications before the Federal Court, the court can appoint an amicus curiae. Adding that to Bill C-8 would simply be redundant.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay.

Shall amendment CPC‑38 carry?

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Can I just ask the officials to please confirm that? Is that the case?

4:15 p.m.

Director General, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch, Department of Industry

Andre Arbour

Yes, indeed, it's the same situation as with the Federal Court amendment that we just—

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Then I'll seek unanimous consent to withdraw it.