Evidence of meeting #39 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was data.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Gary Anandasangaree  Minister of Public Safety
O'Gorman  President, Canada Border Services Agency
Deputy Commissioner Bryan Larkin  Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Pyke  Assistant Commissioner, Correctional Operations and Programs Sector, Correctional Service of Canada
Legault  Chief Financial Officer, Parole Board of Canada
Giles  Deputy Director, Policy, Canadian Security Intelligence Service
McCrorie  Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency
Hazen  Chief Financial Officer, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Bilodeau  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, National Cyber Security Directorate, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Nashef  Director General, Policy, Planning and Accountability, Canadian Security Intelligence Service
Superintendent Richard Burchill  Director General, Technical Investigation Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Wong  Acting General Counsel, Policy Sector, Department of Justice
Hiegel  Director General, National Security Policy Directorate, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Gibner  Deputy Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy Sector, Department of Justice

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

I call this meeting to order.

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to meeting number 39 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security. Pursuant to the February 26 agenda and Standing Order 81(4), the committee is meeting today as part of its study of main estimates 2026–2027.

I would now like to welcome the Minister of Public Safety and all the many dedicated officials accompanying him today, who I believe will be here for the second hour—which allows us to proceed immediately to the minister's opening remarks for five minutes.

3:35 p.m.

Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park Ontario

Liberal

Gary Anandasangaree LiberalMinister of Public Safety

Mr. Chair, thank you for having me here today to speak about the 2026–27 main estimates for Public Safety Canada portfolios.

I would like to acknowledge that we're meeting on the traditional and unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people.

I'm joined by my colleagues from their respective portfolio agencies. I want to thank them and their teams for the work they've been doing.

The main estimates reflect our government's priorities to keep communities safe, combat modern national security threats and foreign interference, strengthen our borders and assert our economic sovereignty. We're focused on building stronger, safer communities that are free from violence. That is why, this past March, I announced our renewal of the building safer communities fund. With more than $150 million in funding, we're building on our strong partnerships with municipalities and indigenous communities.

We're supporting the vital work of local community organizations that work day in and day out to provide young people with the opportunities they need to leave a life of crime behind. The results are clear: Young people have the tools they need to succeed, and our communities are better for it. However, this is only one part of our action to cut down on gun violence. We continue to fortify our strategic global partnerships while ensuring that federal policing and public safety institutions remain effective, accountable and financially responsible in a challenging and evolving environment.

On a portfolio-wide basis, the total authorities sought in the main estimates will result in funding approvals of $16.7 billion for the public safety portfolio for the 2026-27 fiscal year.

Allow me to point out some highlights.

For Public Safety Canada, a total of $2.2 billion is sought in these estimates, which includes a funding increase for the first nations and Inuit policing program of $38.2 million, along with a $37.8-million increase to the first nations and Inuit policing facilities program. These programs are fundamental to reconciliation and to improving the safety of indigenous communities.

Our government is continuing to invest in culturally responsive, community-led policing services that are designed and governed in partnership with first nations and Inuit communities. Funding supports both self-administered police services and tripartite agreements with a focus on officer recruitment and retention, training, equipment and community trust.

We have a responsibility to focus resources on core public safety outcomes. That's why we're ensuring that spending is targeted where it delivers the greatest impact, particularly in frontline services and high-risk areas.

Canada Border Services Agency estimates include funding to deliver our government's commitment to hire 1,000 new CBSA officers, reinforce Canada's borders, enhance border integrity and support the land border crossing project.

Similarly, the RCMP funding will expand the RCMP's federal policing workforce by 1,000 new dedicated personnel. The total funding sought is $6.3 billion, of which $263.9 million will support additional capacity for the federal mandate and $173.3 million will support contract policing programs.

For the Correctional Service of Canada, the total funding sought is $4 billion, representing a $138-million increase tied mainly to operating expenditures and compensation due to collective agreement increases.

For the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the total funding sought is $1 billion, which is an increase of $32.7 million over the previous year.

These are all directed at improving the safety of communities across the country and at our borders, and are in lockstep with our global allies. Again, portfolio-wide, these funding increases are offset by comprehensive expenditure review measures to focus and streamline costs, ensuring the responsible and efficient allocation of taxpayer funds.

I look forward to working jointly with the United States and domestic partners to ensure border security and integrity while building our strategic and economic autonomy. We will continue to improve our ability to detect and respond to national security threats, as well as law enforcement's capacity to fight crime and protect communities.

I'm proud to strive to fulfill these duties and to work alongside all of you to keep Canadians safe. Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, Minister.

I will now yield the floor to Mr. Caputo for six minutes.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Welcome, Minister.

Thank you to all of the witnesses. Through the chair, I will be directing all of my questions to the Minister of Public Safety.

Thank you for appearing.

Minister, will you extend the study on Bill C-22, yes or no?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

The study on Bill C-22 is undertaken by the committee. As you're aware, Mr. Caputo, each committee controls its own agenda.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Then let's not—

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

I would say that it is up to committee members to determine.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Will you recommend or advocate for that right here and right now, yes or no? Here's your opportunity. Will you advocate for the committee to extend the study on Bill C-22? It has been a disaster so far, if we're being honest.

Will you extend the study for that reason? Will you advocate for the extension of that study, yes or no?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Caputo, I will leave it up to committee members to make that determination.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

You don't think we should be hearing from the National Council of Canadian Muslims. Is that right, Minister?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Caputo, I don't determine who appears as witnesses. Those are priorities that you set and this committee sets.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I don't set them.

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

I am not about to pre-empt any witness list. That's work for yourselves.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Minister, let's not kid ourselves here. Your government has a majority. You can pretty well do whatever you want. Let's be clear: You could give the direction to your parliamentary secretary to ensure that more people are heard from, like Signal and NordVPN.

You won't do that today. You won't advocate for the fact that we should hear from more witnesses. Do I have that right, Minister?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Caputo, I would also question why any of this is part of the main estimates conversation. I understand that you want to make some additional videos and you're welcome to do that, but let me also say—

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I have a face for radio, Minister. I'm not making any videos over this one. I'm asking questions on behalf of Canadians. This isn't about videos. This is about a bill that your government—in particular, your department—has rolled out. It has been an unmitigated disaster. It's been a disaster on communications. It's been a disaster on content, and it's been a disaster here in committee. We don't need to talk about making videos. All I'm saying is that you're the minister and the buck stops with you.

Don't you think we should have more time to study this, yes or no?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Caputo, you will see here that it's the portfolio agencies that are represented, not the members of our government or the chair.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Okay. Let's take that as a no.

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

I would say it is your prerogative as a committee to determine the timelines. That is not on me.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Okay. That's a no.

When are you releasing the MOU signed with China on matters of security and intelligence sharing?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Caputo, we've answered that question a number of times. I will say that as of 2010, we've had a number of very similar agreements that were entered into with China—

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Was China designated as...? Did we have a foreign interference inquiry in 2010? My timelines must be off here, because things have certainly changed since 2010, Minister, and you and I both know that.

Sam Cooper reported that the reason this isn't being released is that China would have to sign off. Does China need to sign off on this, yes or no?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Caputo, we are following convention. Since 2010, we have not—

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I don't care about 2010, Minister. I care about whether China has to sign off.

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Caputo, if you want an answer, you need to give me some time to give you an answer.