Public Safety Committee on June 4th, 2026

Evidence of meeting #41 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was information.

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On the agenda

Bill C-22

Members speaking

Claude DeBellefeuille

Before the committee

Wong Acting General Counsel, Policy Sector, Department of Justice

Burchill Director General, Technical Investigation Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Gilkes Acting Officer-in-Charge, RCMP Lawful Access, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Gibner Deputy Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy Sector, Department of Justice

Hiegel Director General, National Security Policy Directorate, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Nashef Director General, Policy, Planning and Accountability, Canadian Security Intelligence Service

Bilodeau Acting Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

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Liberal

Jacques Ramsay Liberal La Prairie—Atateken, QC

No.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

So, we'll continue.

Monsieur Mantle, it's your turn.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Thanks very much, Mr. Chair.

I thought that was a pretty reasonable request. Unfortunately, to see all the Liberal members say no at the same time is pretty disappointing. We're specifically—

Yes, make faces. Make faces, Ms. Dandurand, about an important bill about lawful access. That's great. I'm glad you're taking this very seriously.

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An hon. member

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Mr. Mantle—

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

She just did.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Mr. Mantle, I have to interrupt you, please.

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An hon. member

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Okay. Thank you—

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

I'm not tired and irritated at all.

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Mr. Mantle and everyone in the room, please—

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

She can speak for herself.

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An hon. member

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

I'm going to suspend.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

We'll resume the meeting.

Mr. Mantle, you have the floor.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

That was quick.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would move that we suspend consideration of this clause until the Privacy Commissioner can be invited to attend.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

This is a dilatory motion, which we're going to vote on immediately. The motion is to adjourn this debate. Is anyone in favour of that?

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

I said to stay the clause, not to adjourn. It's not a dilatory motion.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

You want to stay the clause...?

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Yes, I want to stay the clause until we can invite the Privacy Commissioner to attend.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Okay, I'm sorry. I misunderstood what you said.

There is a motion to stay the clause, which means that, in practice, we would put consideration of this clause—or amendment BQ-3—later in the process.

It can't be....

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Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

I have a point of order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

We'll have to suspend because we can't do that for any particular amendment. We'll have to check with the legislative clerk to see if this is possible.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

We'll resume the meeting.

The motion is to delay the discussion on clause 4 and to come back to it later during the clause‑by‑clause consideration of the bill.

Does the committee give its unanimous consent?