Evidence of meeting #45 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was division.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Aaron Gilkes  Acting Officer-in-Charge, RCMP Lawful Access, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Nashef  Director General, Policy, Planning and Accountability, Canadian Security Intelligence Service
Gibner  Deputy Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy Sector, Department of Justice
Bilodeau  Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

It's on the clause. I'm sorry.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

The former amendments were on clause 9. The amendments were defeated, so we have clause 9 unamended.

Clause 9 is now the object of the vote.

Shall clause 9 carry?

An hon. member

On division.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

(Clause 9 agreed to on division)

We'll go to clause 10.

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Can we have a recorded vote, please?

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Excuse me, Mr. Chair. If you go that fast....

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Okay, I'll go more slowly.

Let me pause.

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

I'm looking forward to finishing, but—

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Not only are we going to take a break, but I also recognize that the half hour we had for debate has now elapsed, so I need to let you know how we're going to proceed from here on in.

As you know, Government Business No. 13, adopted by the House, states that “all remaining amendments that were submitted to the committee by 4:30 p.m. on June 15, 2026, shall be deemed moved”, so “the Chair shall put the question forthwith and successively without further debate on all remaining clauses and amendments submitted to the committee, as well as each and every question necessary to dispose of the clause‑by‑clause consideration of the bill”. Furthermore, “the committee shall not adjourn the meeting until it has disposed of the bill”.

That said, I will invite the witnesses to withdraw, unless they insist on not following my invitation, as no debate is now permitted by the House order. I thank them again for their preparation, their time, their availability and the sacrifices associated with that.

This now allows me to put to a vote all amendments, clauses and questions necessary to dispose of Bill C‑22 in the order established by the legislative clerks.

A point of order is permitted, but it must be to point out a rule or practice that members believe has not been followed, and not to raise a question that is a matter of debate. The order of the House is clear: Questions that fall under debate are no longer admissible as of now. In fact, Government Business No. 13, which we passed in the House, says that this is an order, so the motion supersedes the usual practices of a committee like this.

That said, we will proceed slowly, because there is a lot of work to be done and discussions must be understood in both official languages.

I would remind you that we are now at clause 10, for which there are no amendments moved.

Shall clause 10 carry?

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I would like a recorded vote, please.

(Clause 10 agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)

(On clause 11)

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

We'll move on to clause 11.

BQ‑8 is deemed to have been moved. Since this amendment has been moved, CPC‑7 cannot be moved, because the two amendments are identical. In other words, we are now dealing with BQ‑8.

Shall BQ‑8 carry?

11:15 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I would like a recorded vote, please.

(Amendment negatived: yeas 5; nays 6 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

CPC‑7 is identical to CPC‑8, so we will skip it.

That brings me to the question: Shall clause 11 carry?

11:15 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I would like a recorded vote, please.

(Clause 11 agreed to: yeas 10; nays 1)

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

We'll move on to clause 12.

Shall clause 12 carry?

11:20 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I would like a recorded vote, please.

(Clause 12 agreed to: yeas 11; nays 1)

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

We'll move on to the new clause 12.1, which is required because of the amendments that have been moved. CPC‑8 proposes adding the new clause 12.1.

Shall CPC‑8 carry?

11:20 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I request a recorded vote for something that is really important.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, Mr. Caputo.

We'll proceed with a recorded vote, please, Madam Clerk.

(Amendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Shall clause 13 carry?

11:20 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I request a recorded vote, please.

(Clause 13 agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Shall clause 14 carry?

11:20 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I would like a recorded vote, please.

(Clause 14 agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Shall clause 15 carry?

11:20 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I would like a recorded vote, please, Chair.

(Clause 15 agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)