Evidence of meeting #6 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was border.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Gary Anandasangaree  Minister of Public Safety
O'Gorman  President, Canada Border Services Agency
Duheme  Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Dakalbab  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Crime Prevention Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Noon

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Hello, everyone. Thank you for being here today.

I officially call this meeting to order.

Welcome to the sixth meeting of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on September 25, the committee is meeting for its study on the mandate and priorities of the Minister of Public Safety.

Welcome, Minister.

Today’s meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the Standing Orders. Members of Parliament had the option of attending in person or remotely by using the Zoom application.

I would now like to welcome our important guests, of which there are many: the Honourable Gary Anandasangaree, Minister of Public Safety; Ms. Erin O’Gorman, president, Canada Border Services Agency; Mr. Daniel Rogers, chief, communications security establishment; Ms. Anne Kelly, commissioner, Correctional Service of Canada; Ms. Tricia Geddes, deputy minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness; Ms. Joanne Blanchard, chairperson, Parole Board of Canada; and Mr. Michael Duheme, commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Welcome to all of you.

We will start with you, Minister. You have five minutes for your opening remarks.

October 9th, 2025 / noon

Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park Ontario

Liberal

Gary Anandasangaree LiberalMinister of Public Safety

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, committee members.

I want to begin by acknowledging that we are gathered on the unceded traditional territory of the Anishinabe Algonquin people.

Let me just acknowledge and thank the officials who are here today, who have been acknowledged by you, Mr. Chair. I also want to acknowledge Talal Dakalbab, senior assistant deputy minister at Public Safety. I want to thank all the members here for this invitation.

As the Minister of Public Safety, I am focused on ensuring the safety and security of our country and all Canadians. I've been clear that enhancing our border security and tackling cross-border crime are among my top priorities. Yesterday, I introduced important legislation, Bill C-12, that will help tackle these two challenges.

This is the latest step we have taken to strengthen and secure our border while facilitating the flow of legitimate travel and trade. This measure is essential to our economy.

Backed by an investment of $1.3 billion, Canada's border plan delivers concrete actions to further strengthen border security, disrupt the illicit fentanyl trade, improve operational coordination, expand information sharing and minimize unnecessary border volumes.

We have enhanced security at the ports of entry and between them and increased surveillance via drones, towers, helicopters and other resources to allow 24-7 surveillance. Under our border plan, there has been a 99% reduction in illegal southbound movement from Canada to the U.S. since June 2024. This demonstrates real success in deterring illegal cross-border movement. Further, the CBSA has increased its removals of inadmissible people from Canada.

In 2024, CBSA also intercepted 2,277 stolen vehicles in rail yards and ports. Between January and the end of May this year, CBSA intercepted an additional 666 stolen vehicles. These are just some of the positive results from our national action plan on combatting auto theft. In 2025, auto thefts continue to decline nationally, with a 19% decrease reported in the first half of this year.

This progress comes through collaboration with our federal, provincial, territorial, indigenous and law enforcement partners, as well as police of jurisdiction. For example, the appointment of a fentanyl czar and the creation of a joint operational intelligence cell have resulted in better coordination on disrupting the fentanyl trade.

In September, I met with my Five Eyes counterparts in the United Kingdom to discuss pressing border and national security issues, and next month I will be welcoming our G7 partners to an interior ministers meeting in Ottawa to continue the conversation on these important themes. With the increasing sophistication and borderless nature of transnational organized crime, cybercrime, migrant smuggling and illegal synthetic drugs, the G7 meeting will provide Canada with an opportunity to showcase our efforts and signal the importance of multilateral co-operation.

Every person, regardless of their background, deserves to feel safe in Canada. However, we have all seen a troubling rise in hatred across the country.

This past summer, along with the senior deputy commissioner of the RCMP, Bryan Larkin, I met with community representatives from across Canada. They told me that they are concerned for their safety and that they expect tangible action from all levels of government and law enforcement. I want to highlight one success story: the Canada community security program. Since 2007, the Government of Canada has invested over $40 million in more than 950 projects to help communities at risk of hate-motivated crimes further enhance the security of their gathering spaces, such as synagogues and mosques.

You cannot be serious about crime unless you're serious about guns. The assault-style firearms compensation program is another important piece of our government’s comprehensive approach to combatting gun violence. It is working. So far, the business buyback program has removed over 12,000 firearms from our communities, with over $22 million in compensation. We're now implementing the program for individuals, beginning with a pilot project in Cape Breton that will later be expanded nationwide. This will help us get even more guns off our streets and protect Canadians.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Minister, maybe you can come to a conclusion.

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

I will.

Mr. Chair, I look forward to the conversation today, and I want to thank you and your colleagues for this invitation.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you for having accepted this invitation.

We will now turn to questions and comments from the members of Parliament, starting with MP Caputo.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you for attending, Minister, with all of your colleagues.

Minister, 600 foreign nationals were set to be deported, and 70% of them committed violent crimes, including sexual assaults. Where are they?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

As you're aware, the Canada Border Services Agency is tasked with the removals of those who are deemed to be inadmissible—

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Minister, I'm sorry, but we don't need a preamble. We just need an answer.

Where are the 600 people who were set to be deported?

Maybe I'll ask it this way: Do you know where they are, yes or no?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Chair, if I may respond to this question in whole, as you're aware, the CBSA is tasked with the removals of those who are inadmissible to Canada. In this particular case, we have been ensuring that removals have been taking place at an unprecedented rate—

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I asked about the 600 people, Minister. I didn't ask about removals at an unprecedented rate.

Do you know where they are, yes or no?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Well, there is a set of—

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I'll take that as a “no”, Minister. Let's move on.

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Let's be clear, Mr. Caputo. There are a number of individuals who are in the process of being removed. For the 600 you talked about, there is a breakdown, and I'd like to invite Ms. O'Gorman to respond to this.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

You are the minister. You are the expert. The Globe and Mail reported that 600 people are missing. You're the minister. You're expected to know this. The buck stops with you. We have six minutes. You don't know. Let's move on.

You promised 1,000 new border officers for the CBSA. How many have been hired?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Right now, as you're aware, we are in the process of ensuring that the 1,000 new CBSA officers will be trained appropriately—

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Again, Minister, you're answering questions I'm not asking. I asked how many were hired. It's a simple number.

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Caputo, I'm not here for your TikTok videos. I'm here—

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

And, Minister, I'm here—

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

—to answer questions.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Minister, these conversations are important, but they need to be understandable, including through interpretation. I have some tolerance for bilateral interactions, which is fine. That can, in some cases, speed up and increase the efficiency of the conversation, but if it leads to people not being able to understand the flow of the conversation, I have to intervene.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I'll commence.

First of all, TikTok is banned in Canada. Second, I don't have an account. I'm here for Canadians. I'm here for answers. You can obfuscate. I will continue to press forward.

The RCMP didn't know how many of the 1,000 officers that were promised were hired. I'd like just a number. How many?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

I'll invite the RCMP commissioner to answer this question.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

No, I want to hear it from you, Minister. I want to hear it from you.

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood—Rouge Park, ON

I'm not responsible for the hiring of the officers.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I beg your pardon? You are the minister—