Okay. I said it was over 25 years, so I wasn't wrong. I was going by the documents I have in front of me. We will have to make sure that the information is updated. If it's 30 years, that's even better than 25.
Ms. Pietrosel, given your experience, I would like you to tell us more about the tangible things you are hearing or seeing on the ground.
We see governments making decisions. They want to eliminate certain uses of certain materials, such as plastic. Based on your perspective and experience, shouldn't they instead rely on science to make decisions before trying to ban certain types of materials?