Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate that.
I have a question. What we're dealing with here is that we asked the ministers to come and are continually asking them to show, such that we can hear about what's going on. The excuse has always been that, “Well, capstone hasn't been determined yet.” We need to find out...input from the minister so that the minister can actually respond to capstone. That's the purpose of the discussions. It's so that the minister can hear from witnesses and from us on issues about capstone, yet the minister's going to wait until the new year to come back and speak to us. That's not acceptable.
The minister shouldn't be speaking to us: We should be speaking to the minister, and the fact that the ministers are saying they're not coming until such a date.... We don't even know when that date is, because (a) we don't have a time frame as to when our meetings will be, whether they'll be Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday. Who knows? However, the reality is that we have ministers who should be here, because we...and they're delaying the aspect such that we can't deal with this, which then says that they already pre-arranged what capstone is about, which is not acceptable to this committee. It's very upsetting to hear that. We're supposed to be having input into this, and we're not getting any whatsoever, Madam Chair.