I appreciate your perspective. I don't agree with it, but that's my perspective. I'll let another MP follow up on that if they so wish.
Let me now go to Professor Kerr.
I know you're a professor of biology, but you also talked about discovery grants, evaluation of grants and so on. Not only do you deal with researchers, but you're also dealing with students. In your experience, what happens if we don't have diversity and inclusion considerations in some of this funding, for example for women, or for people who don't speak English as their first or even second language, or for people of different ethnic backgrounds? I'd just like to hear your perspective.