Thank you.
I'm going to start with Dr. Kerr.
Here we are. We're talking about excellence in Canadian research, and it seems that there are two aspects of it in this discussion today. One is how we assess excellence in research when the federal government is giving out funding for that research. Then there's a side question of how we are selecting researchers for federal government positions, like the Canada research chairs, for instance. These seem to be quite different aspects of this question.
From your position in NSERC, I assume you deal more with the former, in terms of how you assess people who are applying for research funding through NSERC, through discovery grants or whatever. You mentioned some of the broad criteria there. You also mentioned DORA.
We've heard before in this committee about concerns over using impact assessments of papers by looking at the number of citations, how many papers a person has written and how many citations those papers get. People have been pushing back on that. Could you expand on what the data behind that is or what the impact is, and why that change seems to be under way?