I think that it depends, again, on where these discussions are happening. The discussions I'm involved in every day are looking at things like how artificial intelligence is going to revolutionize the delivery of health care. When we think about the incredible costs of health care delivery, about the budgets of the provinces and about the way we're trying to revolutionize things, there's actually quite a bit of excitement around the science.
I can think of a huge announcement in Ontario, just a week or so ago, between Roche Canada and Invest Ontario, which is going to see more than 250 new jobs created there for clinical research. I can think of researchers we've lost to American universities, and they are really hoping to come back to Canada and hire Canadians into their highly technically advanced manufacturing industries.
I think there's a lot of excitement. We have to balance our questions and our healthy debates by also applauding the excellence and the incredible work that is going on, and by allowing ourselves occasionally to be excited about the future we're building.