In NSERC, the question of open access is a challenging one. There is a whole business enterprise around scientific publications. An earlier witness talked about the big publishers, the Elseviers and Springers of the world.
It's changing a paradigm from that system that has been in place for decades, maybe half a century—I don't know—to a different paradigm of open access. There are still debates about who will incur the cost of this, because it's open access for the reader, but it's not free for people who want to publish. There's still quite a bit of debate around who's going to pay for this and how we will support it.
At the end of the day, again, it's linked to this culture change conversation about recognizing different forms of publications and different forms of achievements, not just scientific publications and journals but achievements. We were talking about the science promotion activities that we support. We want to recognize this when we assess researchers, so that if they have been active in promoting science in French, this becomes a significant contribution that is valued and rewarded in our system, and that's—