I would say that when we fund research, there are a number of different channels for actually assessing the value of that investment. One is commercial opportunities, which are actually managed at the institutional level. There's the training, which is a huge part of it. It's the knowhow of how you do a lot of these things, which plays out in terms of the employability of those who are trained doing research—
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