Yes. What we lack is, essentially, that bridge between research and private firms. We lack various steps in the innovation process. It's one thing to have a lab in a university coming out with a good idea, or what we can call an invention. Bringing this to a firm and scaling it so that firm can become a global champion takes many more steps in the process. I think this is where we are failing. We think being good in R and D will, in itself, translate into innovation.
I want to be specific about this. Look at what the United States has done in defence and space. It's clear they have industrial labs that connect, where they are strong in R and D, with private industry. They bring industry in to solve these problems. This is how you can scale companies, by also having the public procurement aspect of it.