Yes. Fundamentally, I would ask whom the universities have been partnering with, to what extent, where this technology has gone and who has benefited from that. Importantly, have these technologies been used for nefarious purposes? We don't know the extent of it—what or where this has gone. This is all confidential. We've seen media reports on what's happened, but it's only because there have been media reports.
Back in 2018, The Globe and Mail reported on this issue. Only with mounting public pressure has there been reorientation. That means the universities themselves are complicit in this funnelling of IP to Huawei. They get a bit of money and they're happy about it, but it's clear to me that it's only after they've been put under the public microscope that they have had the wherewithal to remove themselves from such a bad situation. We can't trust them to make sure this doesn't happen again.
Huawei is one example, but, again, there are Russia and Iran. There are all of these others, as well as Chinese state actors. We really don't know. The 50 universities.... There are a lot of Canadian universities that are working or have worked with Chinese military researchers. That's extensive. This is only the tip of the iceberg—what we can see publicly. The universities themselves know this information and have not been sharing this information.