Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I would like to welcome the witnesses who are joining us today.
My first question is for you, Professor Houlden.
There is no doubting your experience, since you've been working in Canadian foreign affairs since 1976. You also talked about your tenure at the University of Alberta.
I want to make sure I understand the situation, and I want to make sure my colleagues and the public understand it, too. On a scale of 1 to 10, how concerned should we be about Chinese interference in Canada's scientific research ecosystem?