Could I just ask for a little more clarity? I think what we're talking about here is a systemic bias. Very clearly, there is systemic racism in the institutions, and we see this present in many institutions. It's built right in.
How do we address that from a behavioural standpoint when there are so many decisions that are being made? There are upward mobility decisions or promotional decisions that are being made. There are obviously hiring decisions. I was involved in post-secondary institutions, quite a number of them, and often you progress from being a student to being a researcher. You go through different degrees and you eventually get hired on as faculty. Then, of course, you're moving through a whole system thereafter of promotional opportunities as you earn them.
What you're saying, or what you've said today, is that there are forces that are working against women, racialized women in particular, and that those biases are there. How do we change the behaviour in those organizations?