As I mentioned, I think this is a problem we see not only in Canada and in the U.S but also in other open, liberal democracies. I think what makes it so challenging to get this started is we had hoped these collaborations—especially when many people entered into them—would lead to a more open China and that we wouldn't be in this place, especially 10 or 20 years ago. I think movement across the board is not as quick as I hoped it would be.
Looking at where the funding comes from and looking at these talent programs is a really good start, but it's also about telling the stories and making folks aware that these are the policies and programs of a nation-state.
It's also looking at investing in our own futures and looking at the importance of that foundational research, because what's really challenging is that as China has become more capable, it targets earlier and earlier in the development cycle, and our systems are not set up to counter that. Our systems are set up to counter the stealing of military technologies and other kinds of things, so I think it really requires us to think about a different way of doing things.
Thank you.