Again, to speak to this in the context of the relative inelasticity of carbon fuels in Canada, ostensibly research and development funding in Canada should be driving towards the production and deployment of technologies that would provide affordable and readily available technologies to Canadians to change behaviour on the consumption of carbon fuel. If we're not seeing the results of that investment of, as my colleague Mr. Turnbull said, billions and billions and billions of dollars, then perhaps it is appropriate for this committee to ask how the government can be making better use of that funding from the perspective of ensuring that the money is actually delivering results in substitute goods.
Be it basic research or whatever, the government shouldn't just be articulating spending when this government is not even 50% of the way to meeting our emissions reduction target. They're talking about spending tens of billions of dollars, if not more.
I mean, we have how many billions of dollars...?