Well, I would say, with respect, sir, that I'm the one who issued the directive to the market to not have Huawei and ZTE be in telecommunications in Canada. You're talking to the guy who made it happen. You're not talking to some random person. You're talking to the person who made it happen in Canada.
What I can tell you is that since June 2021, there have been no federal grants to Huawei. What we did, Mr. Cooper, which I think Canadians need to understand, is that we set the tone, because since then you will have seen—because I know you're a well-informed member of Parliament—that a number of universities.... Just for the record, as they're watching today, the University of Toronto, the University of Waterloo, McMaster University, Queen's University, the University of British Columbia and Western University have all adhered to our principles and stopped any collaboration with Huawei. That's part of the public record.