Inclusion and achieving success: well, one of the things we know for very high-ranking people in the academic world, for example, is that those people are disproportionately looking like me and are disproportionately not people of colour. There are very few indigenous leaders in our academic institutions.
Some people have argued that this is changing, but I have analyzed that rate of change, as have others. What appears to me to be happening is that the rate of change is too slow to actually achieve real progress in senior leadership levels within the academic environment. Indeed, in some fields, there's not much evidence of change at all. If we were to point to achieving senior leadership in some fields like computer science or electrical engineering, for example, the rate of change of representation is really quite low in those environments, and we want to try to accelerate that rate of change.
I'd be happy to chat more about this outside of this committee should you like to engage in further conversation. I'm sorry to take so long.