All I know is that underfunding is an issue in Canada: It's small and big. There's nobody that's overly funded when it comes to science.
The Canadian scale is way low compared to that of all of our competitors, and not even all of our competitors. Of 32 OECD countries, we're racing to the bottom. We don't want to be at the bottom of 32 countries. I think we can raise all boats by spending more money on R and D.