Evidence of meeting #23 for Science and Research in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was question.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Schaan  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry
Vats  Assistant Deputy Minister, Science and Research Sector, Department of Industry
Mélanie Joly  Minister of Industry

12:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Science and Research Sector, Department of Industry

Nipun Vats

Personally, I have never had a conversation with Brookfield, nor has my team, but I don't have all the details from the department.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Have you ever been contacted by Brookfield regarding the development of decisions on Canadian policy issues or science policies?

12:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Science and Research Sector, Department of Industry

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Has the Minister of Industry been contacted by Brookfield or had meetings with the company regarding Canada's scientific issues or science policies?

12:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Science and Research Sector, Department of Industry

Nipun Vats

I don't have—

12:40 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Mark Schaan

Madam Chair, as I said, all interactions—

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Mr. Schaan, the question is for Mr. Vats.

12:40 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Mark Schaan

Yes, I know, but I'm the one who answers questions for the department, and the answer is that the department provided Parliament with all the details of the interactions between Brookfield and the department.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Madam Chair—

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Can I stop you there? One person speaks at a time.

If you are asking a question, allow the witness to answer.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

My question was for Mr. Vats, and I got an answer from Mr. Schaan. With all due respect, he is not the right person, the person to whom my question was addressed. I would like the time I just lost to be added to my speaking time. Mr. Schaan is allowed to speak, but here, it is parliamentarians who ask the questions and witnesses who answer them.

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Please go ahead.

12:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Science and Research Sector, Department of Industry

Nipun Vats

I understand that, in response to a request, all the department's interactions with Brookfield and all the topics discussed during those interactions were provided to Parliament.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Can you confirm to committee members today that there were no discussions with Brookfield on the development of Canada's science policies?

12:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Science and Research Sector, Department of Industry

Nipun Vats

Personally, I haven't seen the list, but Mr. Schaan has confirmed that there was no such interaction and that all the details of the interactions were on that list.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Neither you nor anyone in your department had any contact with Brookfield regarding science and innovation issues in Canada.

12:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Science and Research Sector, Department of Industry

Nipun Vats

Again, my team and I have never spoken to Brookfield. I understand that a list detailing all the interactions has been provided to Parliament. If it is not written there that there were interactions on the development of our science policies, there were none.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Were you contacted by the company for questions or meeting requests?

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I'm sorry for interrupting. Time is up for MP—

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Madam Chair, with all due respect, I have some time left, given the time that was added to my speaking time as a result of Mr. Schaan's answer.

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

We stopped the clock at that time. Now it's 12 seconds over.

Thank you.

We will now proceed to MP DeRidder for two minutes.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Madam Chair, I'm asking for information.

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Go ahead, MP Blanchette-Joncas.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

I calculated that I lost 17 seconds with Mr. Schaan.

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I stopped the clock at that time. I saw it. Your time is up.

I will proceed to MP DeRidder for two minutes. Then we will end the panel with two minutes for MP Deschênes-Thériault.