That's a separate issue, and it's back to Mr. Lemieux's opening comments. I would agree with him. Obviously I wouldn't be here talking about co-ops in a positive way if I didn't think they were robust and institutions that we should be promoting.
But I would say—and I agree with his comments, so he's heard all these positive things about co-ops—that there are three things that I don't think you mentioned, which are relevant in the context of why I'm here and why I think other people are here. One is that the level of awareness is very low. We've heard that from everyone. That needs to be raised.
The second is that we believe in an even playing field. I've illustrated one example in the insurance industry, that under the Insurance Companies Act you cannot incorporate a cooperative insurance company. In fact, I don't think you can do it provincially either. So we need an even playing field.
I think that's what the rural and cooperatives secretariat did, incidentally. I think they addressed both those issues.
The last one is that I think you, as government policy-makers, people who are involved in the process and who have been elected to Ottawa, need to think innovatively sometimes as to how you solve some of the problems you have, and some of the public policy challenges you have, particularly in the health care and energy sectors. I think these are things you have to address. You have to ask yourself—put aside the issue of whether you give money to them—whether the cooperative form of enterprise is one that's actually worth promoting. I happen to think it is.