On that, I believe Desjardins also operates caisses populaires in Ontario. It would be interesting to find out how that's structured. I believe Caisses populaires de l'Ontario operates as an entity and is affiliated. It would be useful, Mr. Chairman, to make sure that at some time among our witnesses Desjardins be included, as well as the Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité, which is the francophone pendant of Madam Guy. I believe you've received a request to that effect, and I think it would be very important that we include them as well.
Madam Guy, I'm asking not for a response now but for you to do some homework, if I may be so bold. I know it's summer, but I would love to get a detailed paper on the six items you identified. Or to put it differently, what are the needs or the gaps, as one of our previous witnesses, the gentleman representing Industry Canada, mentioned? Where there are gaps, the government might want to create some capacity to help fill them, especially in the case of environment or initiatives such as co-ops, which are very positive. What are the things that are not being addressed, or on which co-ops come up short because of administrative matters and so forth? We can then look at those in detail and perhaps they could be included in the committee's report.
Mr. Fitzpatrick, I want to make sure I understand. When you say credit unions have assets of $140 billion, that's just the credit unions. It doesn't include Desjardins, correct?