Can I throw a bit of a curve at you? I grew up in the bank and the last thing I did in the bank system was create the first commercial banking centre for any chartered bank in Canada. That centre was made up of lenders who understood manufacturing. They had dirt underneath their fingernails and understood it. I call them old fashioned bankers.
I've spent the last five years watching the old fashioned bankers either die or retire, and there is not much opportunity for manufacturers in Canada, period, to enjoy old fashioned bankers. I may have a conversation after this, and there may be an opportunity here.
I've been at his level at two chartered banks, and they're just not listening. There are so many manufacturers in this world that need old fashioned bankers who understand people. A good example is our chairman who bought out a part of General Electric, spent $400,000 of his own money trying for a management buyout with 30 of his people who put $7 million in and they could not find financing in Toronto. This was up in Owen Sound.
I listened to him for a whole winter and there was one old fashioned banker left and I said, “Jim, enough of this. Can I call a banker I know?” I did that on Monday, they saw them on Tuesday, and they had their money on Friday.
There might be an opportunity to look at forming cooperatives on the financial side for manufacturers, which are run by guys with dirt under their fingernails. That's a bit of a curve for you.