I'm just picking up on what Pierre said, and what Madam Freeman said as well, in talking about how many dollars were required. There's money needed by both levels of government, so how best can the government spend that money to help more of the population than it's currently doing, or at least as well as it's doing—and co-ops are one of those operations?
I'm a co-op member and have been one for 50 years. I remember when the operation started, it was very tentative, very tight, with not much money available. As far as I know, it received no money from the province or the federal government. It received some help from another co-op. Now that co-op has money running out of its ears; it's certainly not short of dollars. So it found its own dollars for start-up costs. There must have been a percentage there that it used.
So I'm just wondering, if we're talking about government involvement in business, then what percentage is reasonable to start it up, if in fact there are any dollars available at all?