Again, it's a matter of sound business principles. CMHC is not a charitable organization, and I respect that. But if indeed it can be demonstrated—and I'm asking you, Mr. Kitchen, perhaps to demonstrate that—that the reason for getting out is not a lower rate, but a higher amount in order to fix the conditions of the houses the people are living in, then surely to God that may be a rationale worth considering and worth acting upon for both CMHC and the government.
On July 26th, 2012. See this statement in context.