I think it's more to say in general.
I'm not sure that most organizations out there really understand what cooperatives are, how they work, or that they are a viable alternative. I'm not going to say it's just the federal government. It's just about everybody.
An example, because we're talking a little bit about financing, is one of our gas co-ops. A couple of years back a private company that ships gas out past them—they tap into their pipeline—abandoned that pipeline, and this co-op, as well as the town, had to essentially plough 80 kilometres of pipeline to make sure that the towns and the communities had heating for the winter.
That's about a half million dollar project. No bank would give them money, and the reason was that if the co-op defaulted on the loan, what bank would call that in? That pipeline goes to their neighbour's house; they're not going to say no more gas. So it's very difficult for us to get financing as well.
We've had a number of issues where, yes, we would like to get financing, but it's just not happening. We're not considered to be a traditional business model.