Evidence of meeting #7 for Special Committee on Cooperatives in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was credit.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Dale Ward  Corporate Secretary, Manitoba Central, Assiniboine Credit Union
Nigel Mohammed  Director, Business and Community Financial Centre, Assiniboine Credit Union
Albert Cramer  Chairman, Red Hat Co-operative Ltd.
Doyle Brandt  Red Hat Co-operative Ltd.
Peter Harty  Director, Federation of Alberta Gas Co-ops Ltd.
Kevin Crush  Manager, Communications, Federation of Alberta Gas Co-ops Ltd.
Jodie Stark  Vice-President, Legal and Corporate Affairs, Concentra Financial Services Association
Tim Archer  Executive Director, Community Health Co-operative Federation Ltd.
Patrick Lapointe  Member, Community Health Co-operative Federation Ltd.
Merv Rockel  President, Alberta Federation of Rural Electrification Associations (AFREA)
Robert Marshall  President and Chief Executive Officer, Mountain View Credit Union Limited
Dan Astner  Vice-President, Alberta Federation of Rural Electrification Associations (AFREA)
Vera Goussaert  Executive Director, Manitoba Cooperative Association
Bill Dobson  Director, United Farmers of Alberta
Hazel Corcoran  Executive Director, Canadian Worker Co-operative Federation
Peter Hough  Financial Officer, Canadian Worker Co-operative Federation
Bob Nelson  President and Chief Executive Officer, United Farmers of Alberta

3 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Mountain View Credit Union Limited

Robert Marshall

Yes, we do with other credit unions and then with Concentra as well. So we'll get involved with either buying tranches of mortgage pools or we'll participate in a syndication on a large funding arrangement.

3 p.m.

Conservative

LaVar Payne Conservative Medicine Hat, AB

Okay.

I did note that you did talk in your opening remarks about your contribution to the community. I wonder if you could give us a little more information about your investments in the community and how they have helped. I don't know if it's all the communities that you serve or just portions thereof.

3:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Mountain View Credit Union Limited

Robert Marshall

We have a number of different initiatives that we get involved with on an ad hoc basis. In the small town of Beiseker, for example, we donated $25,000 I believe to part of a building project that they were doing for the community. Every year we commit to funding or sponsoring and bidding on 4-H sales, so we'll be there and we'll pay double what a calf is worth. But that's okay, as we're doing it for all the right reasons.

We have an annual charity golf classic, where just the other day we were able to donate $18,000 to a local hospice in one of our communities. It's those types of things that we're continually doing each year. Some of it's ad hoc, and some of it is certainly planned and prepared for.

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

LaVar Payne Conservative Medicine Hat, AB

Certainly we've heard those kinds of things from other credit unions and cooperatives that I think are really helping all the communities they serve throughout the various parts of the country.

I'd just like to go to Mr. Rockel, or Mr. Astner, on something.

You did say that you could only service farms, so there are no small hamlets or villages or anything that might be part of your district that you can serve?

3:05 p.m.

President, Alberta Federation of Rural Electrification Associations (AFREA)

Merv Rockel

You're right. In our agreement, we cannot serve hamlets or small towns. But we can serve subdivisions and, hopefully, they don't become hamlets or towns.

3:05 p.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

LaVar Payne Conservative Medicine Hat, AB

That's a good way to get around that I think.

Potentially you could grow your business.

3:05 p.m.

President, Alberta Federation of Rural Electrification Associations (AFREA)

Merv Rockel

To some extent, yes we can.

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

LaVar Payne Conservative Medicine Hat, AB

Okay.

What percentage of the grid does the federation own or operate overall?

3:05 p.m.

President, Alberta Federation of Rural Electrification Associations (AFREA)

Merv Rockel

It's 3% of the people, or 1% of the consumption of energy. As for the number of miles of line, I haven't got those figures.

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

LaVar Payne Conservative Medicine Hat, AB

Okay. I know there's a bit of a controversy going on about the expansion of the grid, so to speak, in Alberta. I'm just wondering whether you are involved at all in that process or are having input into it.

3:05 p.m.

President, Alberta Federation of Rural Electrification Associations (AFREA)

Merv Rockel

We did a presentation to the transmission committee, and our philosophy is that we have to have a reliable system, that it's really important. In rural Alberta, if a storm comes through, the last people who will get hooked back up will be those in rural Alberta. Therefore, we rely much more on a reliable transmission system than maybe the people in the cities.

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

LaVar Payne Conservative Medicine Hat, AB

Okay.

Go ahead.

3:05 p.m.

Vice-President, Alberta Federation of Rural Electrification Associations (AFREA)

Dan Astner

Just further to that, the federation has asked for representation on a lot of government committees. Currently, we sit on a cost-monitoring committee of the transmission system—on the expansion of that. The Alberta government looks at the federation for input from a consumer's voice, and the rural electric associations have a voice. They probably have more knowledge of the electrical system than the average consumer. So even though we're a fairly small number, they recognize that we are the end users and they listen to what the impact is on us.

July 27th, 2012 / 3:05 p.m.

President, Alberta Federation of Rural Electrification Associations (AFREA)

Merv Rockel

We're knowledgeable end users.

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blake Richards

Thank you very much.

That concludes the second round of questioning. We do have a little bit of time remaining, so we can move into a third round.

First up there, I have Mr. Preston, and you have the floor for the next five minutes.

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Preston Conservative Elgin—Middlesex—London, ON

Thank you very much. I don't often get two chances. This is great.

I'm going to talk a little bit about governance. I'll leave it open to both of you.

Mr. Marshall, you said you have 11 units and are about to have 12. I take it you're opening in a new community.

3:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Mountain View Credit Union Limited

Robert Marshall

Yes, we are, in Langdon, a town of 3,400 people just outside of Calgary, which has no financial institution today.

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Preston Conservative Elgin—Middlesex—London, ON

When you go to make an expansion like that, I'm sure it's relevant even to your group, as a one member, one vote type of group. How do you get to a new place? You probably don't have many members in Langdon. Or do you have members in Langdon who are driving to one of your other branches, and are members somewhere else? How do you convince the people at Olds, for example, to say, “That's a great idea. Let's open up in Langdon and spend a whole pile of money building a new branch.”

3:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Mountain View Credit Union Limited

Robert Marshall

Well, this is where we come back to our governance model. It's really our board of directors, who represent our members, whom we sit down with. We collectively build out our strategic plan and understand where our growth opportunities are. Are they things that we really want to go after? If it is something that's near and dear to our heart and we see it as a good decision, then how do we go about doing that?

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Preston Conservative Elgin—Middlesex—London, ON

I would assume that occasionally the answer is no.

3:10 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Mountain View Credit Union Limited

Robert Marshall

Yes, it is.

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Preston Conservative Elgin—Middlesex—London, ON

Obviously, in the one person, one vote system, for us, there were enough yeses so we're here. But one day maybe that will be the opposite and we might not be. The same happens in your business decisions.

Mr. Rockel, Mr. Astner, is it the same thing in your business? When you put forward something, how often does the membership just say, that's just too big of a risk for us, or we're growing too fast?

3:10 p.m.

President, Alberta Federation of Rural Electrification Associations (AFREA)

Merv Rockel

I'll tell you about an incident. We got involved in the meter reading and we thought we'd have opposition to it. People came to us and said, “Thank God we don't have to...”. The member would read the meter and send the information to the office.

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Preston Conservative Elgin—Middlesex—London, ON

Right, send the little card in.