I'll be brief, since I think we're almost out of time.
It's important to distinguish the types of sex users we're talking about. There are essentially two types. There are the occasional sex users, who are people driving down the street late at night and for whatever reason decide this is the night they're going to pick up a prostitute. Or, in Cambodia, for example, they are tourists and backpackers. We've seen them, actually. These are young men, my age, who will just decide to walk in so they can tell their friends they did it. Those are the occasional people. These are the people you can really target with a deterrence message and for which programs such as john school can work. We think that you really want to focus your efforts on them, the majority of the sex users.
Then, be very, very clear when you're targeting the habitual users, especially pedophiles. At sentencing, there need to be expert submissions as to what harm is done to a child when they are abused. I think that's how you'll ratchet up your sentences. It's not necessarily by increasing the maximum penalty; it's by getting that information in front of a judge who's making the ultimate decision. That's something our police and prosecutors could work on. It certainly could also be considered an aggravating factor if the victim has been trafficked.
These are ideas I'm throwing out for the committee to consider. I'll leave it at that for now.