You're not listening to me. With respect, I need to interrupt. What I said to you is that what I was working with was a federal program delivered by HRDC Canada. It discriminated against immigrant women very directly, and if it weren't for the advocacy work done by me and other immigrant women's groups with the assistance of LEAF, they would never have changed the policy.
Let me go on to something else, because I don't want to waste time on this one. I just wanted to explain to you that there is a need for this kind of work, and hopefully you might accept that.
I want to ask some questions of Ms. Graydon, if I could. I'm sorry, I may be running out of time, and I need to share with my colleagues.
Ms. Graydon, I wanted to ask you this, and I asked this earlier. The constant discussion is that there haven't been cuts, that there is money there, because it's been redirected. The fact of the matter is, though, that the criteria for advocacy have been changed, that equality-seeking advocacy organizations can no longer get funding. How does that impact on the rights of women you work with, apart from within the specific services? Yes, I can apply to provide ESL or to provide counselling to a woman, but I cannot apply for funding to change that woman's condition or situation.