On the last part, it will be a process of becoming. I don't think we're going to reach a definitive point. I think the key is, are we making measured progress? Are we making improvements in these areas, and what's happening with respect to them? Is there less discrimination? Is there a reduction of bad impacts? Are unintended consequences being unearthed? And are we seeing some of these differentials? Statistics Canada can do quite well on income questions and others. Are we beginning to see some progress with respect to that?
I'm a bit more for the broader global indicators than for putting in place a whole set. What I fear is that if one goes down the indicators track, it can become quite a bureaucratic process of a whole set of indicators. In all cases, these indicators need to be very clearly aligned to the individual policy or individual expenditure or individual piece of legislation that one is looking at.
On the first part of the question, with regards to the demand and supply sides, my sense is that there's a lot of supply out there. We have a lot of new public servants, we have a lot of new people who do analysis, we have a lot of capacity and think tanks, and we have a lot of things that can be done. But there's nothing more powerful than the question being asked by the right person at the right time.
When you take forward a policy to cabinet or you go to the Treasury Board or you're presenting something to the Department of Finance, if someone in a senior position says, “Tell me the gender impact of this policy. What are the consequences of that?”, that's on the demand side.
As these questions are increasingly being asked, I think the supply is going to be there. Getting that right becomes important. That requires a government that is interested in public policy, a government that is interested in the substance of public policy and the capacity to ask these fundamental questions and to do it at all levels within government, both at the political and at the bureaucratic level.
I think these become important issues for us to focus on. And I don't think just working on the supply side is going to do it. In other words, if you build it--